With Lizzie and the kids in a hotel
room in New Orleans, Ben Kweller has a day off
before the big
US tour begins behind his new self-titled album.
With his band he’s been rehearsing and fine-tuning,
as well as playing several promo shows with his band
in Europe to get back into the swing of things.
Part of the reason for all this
preparation is that the new self-titled record
is very much an artistic
statement by Ben Kweller about Ben Kweller – he
recorded every instrument that appears on it. “It’s
a lot of fun to be playing with other humans,” he
says. “I really want to try to reproduce the
album live, but it requires a lot of people to do
the job. I’m hoping at some point I’ll
be able to have a six-piece band, but it’s
so much fun to play with a band again – they’re
great musicians and great friends.”
In this new format, Ben is also
tweaking the older songs and the arrangements of
them to match the catchy,
direct pop vibe to the songs features on Ben
Kweller. As such, the likes of “My
Apartment” from solo debut Sha
Sha had had piano added to them, while
the cuts from On My Way are having
their straight-up rock vibe softened somewhere. Ben
explains that making Ben Kweller was
a deliberate reaction to that previous album’s
more rock basis.
“I really wanted to make something very layered
and thick and grand, and really put some work into
the album,” he comments. With all the songs
being intensely personal and about his life, he goes
on to say that it was producer Gil Norton’s
idea that he play all the instruments on the album. “I’m
glad he made me do it because these songs are so
personal – my fingerprints are on all the tracks,
and it was this total diary. I didn’t set out
to make a record after On My Way to
do the complete opposite thing, but it just sort
of happened naturally. I naturally don’t like
doing the same thing twice.
“To work with someone like him was a complete
honour,” he says of his time in the studio
with the legendary producer of the Pixies’ Doolittle,
and Gang of Four member. “I know that if I
was going to be playing all the instruments that
having someone like Gil with all the experience and
wisdom and knowledge that he had it would give me
confidence.”
Compared to On My Way producer
Ethan Jones, Ben explains that Gil is much more song-based,
being a producer first, then an engineer, where Ethan
is an engineer and then a producer. As such, he believes
that Ethan was the perfect guy for On My
Way. “I just wanted someone to come
in and take a polaroid picture of the music, and
that’s what Ethan does best.” On the
other hand, for Ben Kweller, he
wanted to work with someone who would get down and
dirty with the songs and help map them out, talking
about the arrangements, and questioning the moves
that Ben wanted to make in terms of things like as
going to the middle-eight or going to the chorus,
or shortening a verse to get to the guitar solo. “He
really wants to know why you’re doing this
part, what you’re trying to say here, and I
wanted that. They both have the highest standards
in terms of sound, but I think it’s just different
ways of getting it.”
The songs on Ben Kweller are
intensely personal, but the beauty of the album is
that they’re not introspective but instead
bouncy and joyous. “I guess it’s just
the Ben Kweller way,” he offers as to how he
came to make them that way. “They are personal,
all my songs are personal, but it is important for
me to have songs that sound universal – I want
people to be able to connect to them and relate to
them, and it’s just something that happens
when I make music.”
In many respects, the personal nature
of Ben
Kweller reminds to some degree of Bob Dylan’s
magnum opus Blood on the Tracks.
It’s similar in that its intensely personal,
and an individual experience, but with absolutely
amazing songs too that are able to connect directly
with the listener. “I’m much more of
an early, early Dylan fan,” he says. “I’ve
got to get into it, and I know that Lizzie loves
it, and from what I’ve heard of that album
I can see what you’re talking about – “Penny
on the Train Tracks” could fit right in there.”
In thhe two years leading up to
the new album the music that he was particularly
listening to was Tom
Petty and Jeff Lynne. “I love Into
the Fever, but at the same time I was getting
into that Phil Spector wall-of-sound thing. I’m
working among the traditional arrangements and instruments
of rock ‘n roll, so I’m not really listening
to anything in the studio because I don’t want
to get influenced by other people’s work – I
want to make the music that in ten of fifteen years
people look back and say ‘I want this song
to sound like that Ben Kweller song’.”
Ben Kweller has been living the
life of a musician and performer from the age of
13, 14 as part of Radish – before
he was barely out of the first few years of his teens,
Ben had feature stories in the likes of Rolling
Stone about him, stating that he was ‘the
next Kurt Cobain’. He agrees that it’s
definitely made him a lot more mature a lot sooner. “The
experiences that I had had definitely make me older-feeling,
and hopefully wiser,” he comments. “I
feel very lucky to have all the experiences that
I’ve had under my belt. I felt like I’ve
seen so much of the music – the dark side and
the light side. Everything I experienced as Radish
helped me make really good decisions as a solo artist.”
Ben Kweller’s self-titled
third album is out now.